Subject: Re: Major Netatalk confussion happening!
From: Steve Freitas (sflist@ihonk.com)
Date: Fri Aug 04 2000 - 01:24:07 EDT
Hi Luke!
>I have been suggesting for many months that we pack the whole thing up and
>release netatalk V2.
Your cheerleading has been rewarded! The next release is actually planned
to be v1.5 at the moment, because it doesn't offer a lot of huge new
features, but will be a coherent packaging of the latest patches and
fixes, plus some new fixes as well. 2.0's feature list will be more
aggressive, of course.
>there needs to be a concerted effort by those of us who can
>really make this shit work to pull it together.
In the last two weeks, 10 developers have been listed with the project so
far, they're rolling in new patches daily, I'm working on a new FAQ,
David Bosso is updating AppleVolumes.system, a Webmin module is now in
the works (more below), etc. There's lots of work to do -- your hands and
your time will be appreciated!
>With regards to your fervor for the umich list: I have had numerous problems
>with this list, I get little response to my questions and propositions...
I had similar problems on this list some time ago. But fortunately,
enough programmers and others interested in Netatalk's progress have
joined the list and are working together on improving it.
>From the time Phillip's fleet reached Port Jackson to establishment of
the Commonwealth, 113 years passed. Columbus may have landed in America
in 1492, but it took until 1776 to make a revolution. We won't take that
long. :-) We've got a ways to go yet, but if you help out, we'll get
there faster. Help us get to 1.5, and we'll pick up a lot of steam.
>With regards to sourceforge: there is nothing happening. <snip> No forum
messages,
>not patches, no bugs, no tech manager, NO DOCUMENTATION. What exactly are we
>trying to achieve here?
What you may not know is that our home on SourceForge is less than two
weeks old. That's why things are pretty threadbare. That'll change.
However, the CVS tree is most important of all. 9 days ago,
netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.4pre39 was committed into the tree, and there have
been dozens of changes committed since then. If you take a look at the
CVS, you'll see that new additions are going in every day.
>[SourceForge] does not support IE on the Macintosh
I'm using IE 5 on the Mac, and it works fine. What trouble does it give
you?
>I put out a request 6 months ago for any input into a webmin
>module, and got nothing back.
I think you'll find that things have improved since then. Scott Sipe and
Matthew Keller (whom I've cc'd on this email) have volunteered to do a
Webmin module. Will you volunteer to help them?
>If you (collectively) manage to write one, where are going to post it;
>webmin, umich, thehampton, sourceforge, or cobalt?
We haven't discussed it, but the logical places begin at Webmin and
SourceForge. I think we're in the process of putting together a new home
for Netatalk, but everyone's busy coding and editing at the moment.
>If you are going to look into this, are you going to look at the 1.3, 1.4b,
>asun2.1......., asun2.1.4p39b subsection 47 paragraph 9 .... etc, (you get
>my point).
JeffB (correct me if I'm wrong on this attribution) started with ASun's
latest and greatest when he committed it to the tree. Now the developer
group is adding patches as time progresses.
>The difference in the configuration files for asun's new work is
>considerable, and while I admire where he is going, the module needs to be
>retro-fitable to the installed base.
I believe these concerns are being addressed. Can anyone comment on this?
>I would be willing to entertain giving webspace, support, list server, and
>even development grants to anybody who wishes to participate in establishing
>a real development site.
I really appreciate your willingness to do this. SourceForge has been
decided upon by the group for a variety of reasons. However, I'm sure
everyone will keep your offer in mind when the need arises. :-)
>Due to the complete lack of documentation, and the very poor implementation
>of routing compatibility, there is a big gap in Netatalk's ability to fit
>into networks that are run by stupid NT administrators that insist on
>ticking the little box under "services for Macintosh" that enables routing
>that separates the accountants from the graphic designers.
I suffered from this myself with these old versions. Would you be willing
to help document the config files? Can you detail your routing
compatibility problems so they can be addressed?
>Has anybody got an example of how they have configured their system to
>support "zones", especially just a configuration to fit into an existing
>zone, not the "*" default.
<snip>
>And lastly, if anybody has ever run Appletalk services with the
>back-grounding turned off,
>do you get this line, and what does it mean?
>
>Starting AppleTalk services: ./atalk: [: =: unary operator expected
>
>I won't even begin on papd..
I can't answer these technical questions... I'll leave them to someone
else. :-)
I think you'll find that Netatalk is on its way to a better future, and
we'd love any help you can give us.
Steve
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