Subject: Re: Serious Problems
From: Luke McNeilage (lmn@d2p.com.au)
Date: Tue Jun 06 2000 - 23:12:47 EDT
>From: Dejan Muhamedagic <dejanm@aon.at>
>To: <netatalk-admins@umich.edu>
>Subject: Re: Serious Problems
>Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 4:35 AM
>
> Hello,
>
> On Tue, Jun 06, 2000 at 06:23:39PM +0200, Michael Paesold wrote:
>>
>> 1) It appears that sometimes documents stored on the server (especially
>> saved on the server) get corrupted in some way: with some files copied back
>> to the mac, norton disk doctor (5.0) reports major problems, that can only
>> be corrected by replacing the files with original ones. (But where to take
>> originals from ?? :( )
>
>>From the backup :) I can't recall that this kind of thing has
> been reported. Also, if possible, can you be more specific (what
> kind of files or all kinds, any messages in logs, etc)?
>
>> 2) There are often problems with files, that can be opened with an app (e.g.
>> quark xpress), can be saved, can be copied or moved on the server, but when
>> you try to copy them to the macintosh, the operation will be canceled with
>> error number -39.
>
> Some apps (qxp is one I think) keep files locked even after
> closing them. Did you try to exit from the application and then
> do the copy? I can't recall that people have had this problem.
>
>> 3) The most serious incident was that one:
>> One user copied some files to a different location, than trashed a folder.
>> Afterwards, he was unable to empty the trash, so he wanted to move the
>> folder out of the trash again -> not possible. Then he tried to move some
>> other files to the trash when suddenly the hole content of the parent folder
>> disappeared. The trash can was empty now.
>> The hole files were deleted. (Later, I couldn't find them on the server
>> either)
>> The only thing I found was that two macs were connected with the same
>> user/passwd at the same time, nothing else.
>
> The Trash application needs some fiddling in order to get it to
> work. It also depends on the netatalk's version. However, I'd
> suggest that your users stay away from it, if possible.
>
>> The permission of all these files on the server volume are 660 owned by one
>> user and group users. The server runs SuSE Linux 6.4/Kernel 2.2.14. netatalk
>> version is netatalk-1.4b2+asun2.1.3 (SuSE default installation)
>
> I believe that there are many people still using successfully
> netatalk 2.1.3, but I'd suggest moving to version 2.1.4-37b. It's
> a prerelease but pretty stable. This one you'll have to compile
> by yourself. Check out the archive--there are many messages with
> instructions and, after all, it's not difficult to do it. If you
> don't run any database apps (or similar which need byte-level
> locking) then compile with -DUSE_FLOCK_LOCKS (put the def in
> sys/linux/Makefile).
>
> Another thing: many problems are bound to a particular application
> running on the Mac. The most notorious is definitely QXP. It
> would be helpful if you include information about this as well.
> And anything reported through syslog.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Dejan
>
You SUDO-UNIX people really shouldn't make grand statements about Mac
Pre-press applications. Everything you have identified above is user
privileges.
Try doing a chmod -R 777 on the entire shared volume and see if you still
have the same problems. If they have gone away (as they did when I first
started with Netatalk) them you can start a user & group plan of the server.
When you make users, DO NOT make individual groups. That totally screws up a
Mac workflow, because whoever touches a file is the only person how can
touch it after that.
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