Subject: Re: [netatalk-admins] Substitute Linux by MacOS???
From: jon@colossus.cs.wits.ac.za
Date: Mon Feb 09 1998 - 01:00:10 EST
i moved onto netatalk because i found even serving file data was too much
like hard work for the macos. i have an 8550'200, and it *was* running
AS4.2 for a few months. i just got sick of rebooting every day. also,
before my 8550 (with 7.5.3) i had a 6150 with AS4.1, which was more stable
(running 7.5.0). trouble is it would often crash overnight serving ftp and
web and mail, (esp running macjordomo), so i decomissioned it. both my
servers (appleshare and internet) are unix-based. i've got uptimes of
several months instead of several days. this is why i'm so looking forward
to rhapsody: a stable unix with true MT and mem.protection, but with the
mac OS interface. make no mistake, i love the mac, i've been using it
almost 12 years. but it's no good on a server. see
http://macaroni.cs.wits.ac.za/unix/unix_options.html
for various pages i've written commenting on exactly this issue.
For me, there are two big wins going with unix, and two big losses.
wins: internet speed is about 5x higher. 200k/sec on T1 is now 1mb/sec;
also, stability (crashes are much less frequent, despite mklinux being
"development release" stuff).
losses: appleshare speed significantly lower, because of having to split
the data forks and resource forks on the fly, i presume. Also, the unix
GUI sucks (it wishes it was a gui).
unfortunately, having to server internet FAST and not crash is more
important to me than how long it takes to copy a file to a user account on
the server.
____________________________________________________________
John Ostrowick
jon@cs.wits.ac.za, +27 11 716-3783
Computer Science Department, University of the Witwatersrand
Web site, ftp site and listserv all available at:
http://macaroni.cs.wits.ac.za/
On Sun, 8 Feb 1998, Oliver Wrede wrote:
>
> At 14:24 08.02.98 -0800, Marc Matteo wrote:
>
> >> We want to substitute a Linux box by an MacOS-Server!
> >
> >Good God, man, why?!?!?
> >
> >I mean I'm a Mac fan and all but the MacOS just is not worth a damn as a
> >server OS. Yeah, you can do all the things you mentioned but you can do
> >them all cheaper, faster and more stable on a UNIX/Linux box.
>
>
> I know that. I am supporting the usage of Linux even in Mac-enviroments
> for server tasks. Problem is, that I need definitive "Don't do that!"
> from experienced admins to convince people from my department to stay
> on Linux and spent more time in learning to administer it.
>
> Currently the discussion is, saying "MacOS does all we need!", but I
> think they're wrong in that point -- especially, because we're going
> to have >400 Users working on e-Mail every day.
>
> We have a very small PC (P90,32MB RAM,1.5GB drive) doing this job
> perfectly for more than two years now. My personal experience is that
> Linux performed extermly well -- but for most people from the Mac
> area the interface is a problem. They simply do not want to get
> into it.
>
> I think the reliability counts more than the interface for a server,
> but my friends here fear to lose control over the services if no
> UNIX guy is around to fix it if something is broken.
>
> On the other hand I have the feeling, that doing all we need on
> MacOS (see my last mail) we will have more things broken, than we
> can fix. But I need confirmation on that - because I do not have
> any practical experience with MacOS as server for our dimension (see
> my last mail as well).
>
>
> Oliver
>
>
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