
                            <p class="paragraph">MINOR CHANGE, NO PREFERENCE</p>
                            <p class="paragraph">
                                <a
                                    href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fsubspace1%2Fhome&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                    >subspace1/</a>
                            </p>
                            <p class="paragraph">sdf</p>
                            <p class="paragraph"> sdf change</p>
                            <p class="paragraph">
                                <img
                                    src="/access/content/group/669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725/Picture_8_.jpg"
                                    alt="PictureEngine.jpg" title="PictureEngine.jpg" border="0"/>
                               <!-- ERROR : Incorrect block nesting of h3 -->
                               
                                <h3 class="heading-h1"><a
                                        name="SakaiFrameworkwhatsgoodandbadaboutit"/>Sakai Framework
                                    - whats good and bad about it.</h3>
                            </p>
                            <p class="paragraph">&#91; <b class="bold">
                                    <a
                                        href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Findex&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                        >Index?</a>
                                </b> | <b class="bold">
                                    <a
                                        href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Frecent+changes&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                        >Recent Changes</a>
                                </b> | <b class="bold">
                                    <a
                                        href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Foperational+issues&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                        >Operational Issues?</a>
                                </b>] | <b class="bold">
                                    <a
                                        href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fflowtalk&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                        >FlowTalk?</a>
                                </b> |</p>
                            <p class="paragraph">
                                <a
                                    href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fusing+camtools%2Fsakai+-+some+thoughts&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                    >Using CamTools / Sakai - some thoughts?</a>
                            </p>
                            <p class="paragraph"><a
                                    href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fterms+and+conditions+of+use&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                    >Terms and Conditions of Use?</a>
                                <!-- ERROR: Incorrect Block Nesting -->    
                                <h3 class="heading-h2"><a name="Meetings"/>Meetings</h3> We intend
                                to have 6 1 hour meetings over the next 2 weeks ( 21/11/2005 -
                                5/12/2005) to develop the thought process and messages. You are
                                encouraged to contribute and think about the issues we uncover.</p>
                                <!-- Incorrect block nesting -->
                            <p class="paragraph">
                                <ul class="star">
                                    <li>
                                        <a
                                            href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fmondaymeeting20051121-1400&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                            >MondayMeeting20051121-1400?</a>
                                    </li>
                                    <li>
                                        <a
                                            href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Ftuesdaymeeting20051122-1600&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                            >TuesdayMeeting20051122-1600?</a>
                                    </li>
                                    <li>
                                        <a
                                            href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fthursdaymeeting20051124-1400&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                            >ThursdayMeeting20051124-1400?</a>
                                    </li>
                                </ul>
                            </p>
                            
                            <p class="paragraph"><hr class="line"/>
                                <h3 class="heading-h2"><a name="ForMonday28Nov"/>For Monday 28
                                Nov</h3> Compelling arguments for each of</p>
                            <p class="paragraph">
                                <ul class="star">
                                    <li>
                                        <a
                                            href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fsakaifor-ucscio&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                            >UCSCIO?</a>
                                    </li>
                                    <li>
                                        <a
                                            href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fsakaifor-ucsdev&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                            >UCS Developers/Implementors?</a>
                                    </li>
                                    <li>
                                        <a
                                            href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fsakaifor-ucsss&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                            >UCS Support Staff?</a>
                                    </li>
                                    <li>
                                        <a
                                            href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fsakaifor-deptcos&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                            >Departmental COs?</a>
                                    </li>
                                    <li>
                                        <a
                                            href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fsakaifor-research&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                            >Research Communities in the University?</a>
                                    </li>
                                    <li>
                                        <a
                                            href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fsakaifor-teaching&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                            >Teaching Communities in the University?</a>
                                    </li>
                                    <li>
                                        <a
                                            href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fsakaifor-caret&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                            >Caret?</a>
                                    </li>
                                </ul>
                            </p>
                            <p class="paragraph">
                                <ul class="star">
                                    <li>
                                        <a
                                            href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fintro+to+sakai&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                            >Intro to Sakai?</a> - overview of sakai from the
                                        perspective of a reasonable technical person in educational
                                        IT. Mainly because of Ian Lewis' visit tomorrow. In the
                                        (rough) form of a presentation, though not intended to be
                                        delivered as such!</li>
                                </ul>
                            </p>
                            <p class="paragraph">
                                <hr class="line"/>
                                <h3 class="heading-h2">
                                    <a name="WhySakai"/>
                                    <a
                                        href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fwhy+sakai&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                        >Why Sakai?</a>
                                </h3>
                                <h3 class="heading-h2">
                                    <a name="WhySpring"/>
                                    <a
                                        href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fwhy+spring&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                        >Why Spring?</a>
                                </h3>
                                <h3 class="heading-h2">
                                    <a name="WhyHibernate"/>
                                    <a
                                        href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fwhy+hibernate&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                        >Why Hibernate?</a>
                                </h3>
                                <h3 class="heading-h2">
                                    <a name="WhySOA"/>
                                    <a
                                        href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fwhy+soa&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                        >Why SOA?</a>
                                </h3>
                            </p>
                            <p class="paragraph">
                                <hr class="line"/>
                                <h3 class="heading-h2"><a name="OtherNotes"/>Other Notes</h3>
                                <a
                                    href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fcamtoolsusercomments&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                    >What early adopters say about CamTools?</a>
                            </p>
                            <p class="paragraph">
                                <a
                                    href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725%2Fcarol+dippel%27s+thoughts+re+sakai+qa&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                    >Carol Dippel&#039;s thoughts re Sakai QA?</a>
                            </p>
                            <p class="paragraph">
                                <hr class="line"/>
                                <h3 class="heading-h2"><a name="Tasks"/>Tasks</h3>
                            </p>
                            <p class="paragraph">We need to address the 'free' cam access issue -
                                yes, students can attend any lecture, but does this translate to
                                allowing everyone to see everything (including other student's
                                discussions or first draft Wiki)? This should be agreed at a
                                University level, and not be agreed by default by the University
                                Computing Services, CARET or whoever has technical permissions.
                                Oxford's <span class="nobr">
                                    <img src="/sakai-rwiki/images/icklearrow.gif" alt="external
                                        link: " title="external link"/>
                                    <a
                                        href="/access/content/group/c50c4b08-d361-4ccc-00e1-986782b05aef/OpensourceVLE.pdf"
                                        >report</a>
                                </span> on why they chose Bodington gave 'open access by default'
                                and the ability 'to edit permissions by individual' (i.e. not
                                'pigeonhole' people in roles), as major reasons for choosing
                                Bodington over commercial VLEs.</p>
                            <p class="paragraph">
                                <i class="italic"> How does this fit with Phytopedia's request for
                                    release dates on Wiki pages? </i>
                            </p>
                            <p class="paragraph"><b class="bold">
                                    <i class="italic">HT</i>
                                </b> Having said all this, I (an ex-Eng Lit student) have just spent
                                a happy half-hour on the Phytopedia site finding out how plants
                                survive in deserts. If things go the way of Phytopedia, I wonder if
                                we will eventually end up with a wonderful academic resource which
                                    <i class="italic">should</i> be available to university members
                                in the spirit of academic enquiry. I agree that students discussions
                                or first drafts aren't in this category, but I think that perhaps
                                lecture notes should be.</p>
                            <p class="paragraph"><b class="bold">RW</b> but teaching staff, esp
                                hourly-paid ones, may assert rights over their material. Also,
                                breaches of copyright would become much more visible. This is a
                                bigger battle....</p>
                            <p class="paragraph"><b class="bold">HT</b> very true, Rhiannon, and I
                                think we need to contemplate both of these. I wonder whether the
                                Wiki needs some sort of 'copyright' note on it?</p>
                            <p class="paragraph">Have we come to a decision on this? We do need to!</p>
                            <p class="paragraph">Current problem: on following a link to a specific
                                page (not main login page) eg wiki page, user is directed straight
                                to Raven without any way of logging in as Friend. IB thinks it might
                                be possible to direct user by cancel mechanism from raven to friends
                                login.</p>
                            <p class="paragraph">
                                <hr class="line"/>
                            </p>
                            <p class="paragraph">Wiki Home page for the new rwiki development site<a
                                    href="?pageName=%2Fsite%2Fa94b86ea-436e-4461-0073-34940a213253%2Fhome&amp;action=view&amp;panel=Main&amp;realm=%2Fsite%2F669db422-0b8c-4b29-00ff-911684482725"
                                    >/site/a94b86ea-436e-4461-0073-34940a213253/home?</a></p>
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